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Ed Schultz and His Big Mouth

Fri May 27, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
entertainment, ed-schultz, msnbc
By Donald McKinley Allen
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Olbermann is gone, Beck is going, but we still have Ed Schultz. And that’s too bad. Months after the Gabby Gifford shooting which brought forth pleas and cries for more civil discourse in the media between the Right and the Left in American politics; we still have people like Schultz using foul and inappropriate language to denigrate other media persons with whom they disagree. The national media still gives politically extreme big mouths like Schultz prime time venues from which to spew vile epithets at those they see as “wrong” through their tunnel vision enmity.

To say the other side does the same thing is a “two wrongs make a right” argument; which is no argument at all. Smarmy or petty attacks against someone are not a rebuttal to their political position. It’s just a child like attempt to invalidate their position by demeaning them; and of course it does more to embarrass the insulter than the insulted. If all one has as a defense against someone else’s political position is crude character assignation; one has nothing and thus nothing to say.

Schultz presents and prides himself as being one with and representative of the common ordinary American. I find that thought and image disturbing as well as untrue. While a few of the most extreme people on the Left may harbor the same volume of vitriol toward the Right as Schultz does and may even sometimes express it in the form of foul mouthed slander; the majority of people on the Progressive side of the American political spectrum are much more thoughtful and respectful in the way they express their political views.

The Right has Limbaugh as the trash talking mad dog of their side and now it appears that the Left has Schultz as their resident biting as well as barking angry cur. Being compared and equated with Limbaugh is certainly no compliment to Schultz or MSNBC as his platform. It’s one thing for commentators to express their displeasure or anger at the political points of view and political positions of those they disagree with in a spirited or even bitingly critical way. It is entirely something different to have network or cable personalities use foul language and lewd personal character aspersions when referring to a political position adversary. It reflects badly on the media outlet’s behavioral standards and rules for their on air performers. A suspension of a few days is just the bare minimum MSNBC can do as punishment for Schultz to make it to appear his behavior is unacceptable. Ms. Ingraham may have graciously accepted Shultz’s apology; the MSNBC audience may not be as forgiving or understanding.

In a media world often criticized as being too full of insults and personal attacks and too lacking in more thoughtful and productive analysis and commentary, perhaps MSNBC might consider replacing Schultz with less of a big mouth and more of a big mind. If the network continues in providing Schultz with a prime time show, they risk losing the more high minded thoughtful viewership people like Rachel Madow attract while failing to gain the rabid, red meat demanding, old school Olbermann crowd.

Schultz himself, no matter what his ultimate career fate, should remember the very see-through nature of the glass house he lives in. He personally and personality wise has a pretty substantial list of negatives that could be used as material with which he can be skewered; from his often too broad axe like chopping of the politics he dislikes, to his apparently overindulgent lifestyle, as seen in his physical appearance. He probably isn’t the one who should be casting the personal attack stones in the Left versus Right political battles of the day (if MSNBC thinks anyone should).

I believe MSNBC is better served by personalities like Madow, who accomplishes the disparaging of the Right through fact based news coupled with witty sarcasm or even Lawrence O’Donnell who, although as blatantly partisan as Schultz, manages to confine his contempt of the Right to his scowl while using appropriate, albeit condemnatory, language. The replacement of Schultz with a more positive versus negative, truly 21st Century progressive, political point of view would accomplish both balancing the MSNBC evening line up and broadening the audience to include more truly common ordinary Americans as viewers.

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Borncorn

I partially agree. Calling Laura Ingraham a slut was an insult to sluts. Ed needs to apologize to all the sluts he offended.

  • 24 votes
Reply#1 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT
trm2008

I get the impression from the article that Ed said this on MSNBC. Just to clarify, he said it on his radio program. I still wish Ed had showed some restraint though.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
bluearcher

The replacement of Schultz with a more positive versus negative, truly 21st Century progressive,...

That same type of thinking has put CNN's evening line up in the ratings crapper for 2 years now.

While your idea is commendable, it all boils down to ratings and advertising revenue.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sat May 28, 2011 11:38 PM EDT
PigeonReport

Borncorn: I am mad as a wet Hen dipped up to her wrung neck in the Holy Baptismal just prior to the Big Chicken Fry at the Church of the How Deep Is Your Wallet - How Small Is Your Mine, where I sometime pastor, when not drunk.

This Ed Schultz thing has me mightily unhappy. Because of that big fat F-word, we are now gonna lose another word we can't say, the S-word. I loved that word the way it felt on my tongue. Gone!

So many of our words are going or gone. The N-word was the first, I understand that. The B-word is prohibited and I dated one in college, out! The SOB trilogy that I have employed as a noun for 9 on to seventy year will be no more up on my lips.

All the letters that were dear to me are gone - buried on the Civility Hill of "A Kinder - More Narrow Minded World." Why a real man like us cain't even call a non-man a Q-word, no more.

Us R-words are going to, thanks to the S-word Palin and her loud mouth always saying, "Bring me by R-word baby," according to her SOB Levi Johnson!

WAKE UP AMERICA & Smell the Poo - Afore It Covers You!

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Mon May 30, 2011 12:24 AM EDT
Formost

Hey, don't worry about it. If you need to say slut, or bitch, or any other visceral expletive, tell me and I'll do it for you. So do you think Laura is a slut and a bitch, too?

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Mon May 30, 2011 1:23 AM EDT
PigeonReport

Formost: Oh, thank God you are here! I want to say these thing - I really, really do, but, I just can't make my mouth form the words anymore. It's as if the muscle memory is gone.

I loved saying the S-word, and, yes, I think that Laura Ingram was, is, and, will forever be an S-word.

Thank you, for reaching out to a sanitized news-whiner to timid to piss his pants. I shall email ASAP the words that my lips can no longer wrap around due to my Civility re-training and the awful punishment I endured as a prisoner of war in the bowels of CoH Purgatory.

Yes, I need you to do it for me. How costly is your service? Will you take bananas for remuneration?

Sincerely,

Jonathan Livingston Pigeon - Chicken %3it.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon May 30, 2011 8:16 PM EDT
Formost

Hey! I'll do it for the love of my country! And, for free. :-)

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Mon May 30, 2011 8:51 PM EDT
PigeonReport

You are a great patriot Formost. Perhaps, I, too, can be freed from the Tea Party-Born Again malaise that has glued me in place.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Mon May 30, 2011 9:59 PM EDT
Formost

OK, then that's settled. I'll do my part and you'll do yours! And, you may ask what your part is. So I'll tell you what I need and see if you can help. O.K.? First of all, I want to make sure none of us forget about the blut (that's bitch and slut combined for shorthand). Ann Coulter! Where's she been hiding? And, how do we start a thread or whatever to awaken the rest of the world as to how's she been putting her head under a rock and not taking the heat for the garbage she's said!!!!! We can title our thread, "Where's the Blut?" Anyway, just an idea. :-)

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Mon May 30, 2011 10:15 PM EDT
Formost

Well, actually, I was corrected by my well learned, and my soon to be in school child, that the correct word for Laura is not slut and nor blut. Laura, Sarah, Ann, and Michelle have given rise to a whole new word coined recently by the American Republican Taliban Party: Slitch A slitch is a term that combines the qualities of a strumpet and a female dog. And, I thank the newly formed RAT party (The Republican American Taliban) for that information. They gave it to me when I was on patrol of the men's room in Grand Central Station when a note was passed to me under one of the stalls. But, that's a whole other story. :-)

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Mon May 30, 2011 11:18 PM EDT
PigeonReport

Thank you, Admiral Galahad Formost: A "Slitch", you say.

Strumpet and a female dog - the forbidden B-word! The prohibitive one plus a Strumpet.

I have eaten a few strumpets, in my day. . . back in the day, afore the 2nd BUSH DEPRESSION.

Strumpets are great with coffee con latte, french pudding and a poetry book lounging on the Seine in KY, where we skin our own dogs to fed our family cause the REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES HAVE SENT OUR JOBS OVER SEAS TO CHINA AND WE AIN'T EVEN CHINESE.

We're hillbilly American without a 'nough' to eat. You want a leg?

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue May 31, 2011 5:49 AM EDT
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NativeAmerican-1289371

It will be a cold day in hell before the drug-addled gasbag, Lush Rimjob, apologizes for the @!$%# and lies that he spews on a daily basis.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:14 AM EDT
Luther28

I agree but why debase ones self by operating on the same level by resorting to such tactics.Whether true or not one of those opinions best kept to ones self.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:18 AM EDT
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tyler

LibBuster banned, rereg of multiple accounter smellitcoming.

Nice piece, Donald McKinley Allen. It helps the discussion if you comment, though.

Ms. Ingraham may have graciously accepted Shultz’s apology; the MSNBC audience may not be as forgiving or understanding.

Not part of that audience, but it seems that the apology was accepted by a lot of people, including Glenn Beck.

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Fri May 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT
PigeonReport

Oh, how harsh, one is calling out the Great White God of the Tea Republicans and The Righteous Right Conservative Born Again Christians that carry their rifles in one hand and their bibles in the other.

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Mon May 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT
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xcomunic8ed

I've never been a fan of Schultz. While I might agree with him politically, I find his belligerence revolting. You really cant make any enlightened arguments by descending to the same muck that Limbaugh lives in.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:21 AM EDT
newdayDAWNING10

Schultz got his start as a sports broadcaster in Fargo, ND. I live near there in a little town, and have watched/listened to him for years. He used to be very right wing, sort of a Limbaugh wannabe. It was his marriage to his current wife that turned him into a progressive. Ed's problem has always been his impulsivity. When he is focused and concerned about a societal issue, there is no one more successful than he is at bringing attention to it. But, he always manages to slip off the rails and say or do something really stupid. I wish he could get that under control. I can't help but like the guy, he and I used to debate regularly when he had his talk show, (when he was a rightie, I am a liberal) and unlike, Limbaugh and that ilk, he was very courteous to those he disagreed with. Ed is very sincere about the issues he takes on, he brought some needed attention to what was happening in WI, but when I see how well he does, there is always a part of me hoping that he doesn't blow it for those he is trying to help.

Ed, get some anger management training. You could be a valuable voice for those who lack spokesman, but you are going to self destruct if you keep this up.

He left some hard feelings in Fargo, there are two groups of people, they either love him or hate him, and the group that hates him is significantly larger, some of it having to do with his switch to the progressive side of the political spectrum.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT
Bad Fish

If this clown called my wife a slut, i would be more than glad to show him what a neanderthali am. I would gladly take a misdemeanor and some anger management classes to expose this chauvinist wimp.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
trm2008

If someone called me a slut--I'd laugh at them, and I'm a big girl. I don't need my husband to defend me.

  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT
Roy Batty

If someone called me a slut--I'd laugh at them, and I'm a big girl. I don't need my husband to defend me.

You know, it is funny, but somehow I do not associate thin-skinned people with those to crawl their way to the top of the wild-and-woolly media profession (or politicians for that matter!) I don't condone Schultz's language here, but assuming a big girl like Ingraham would cry about something like this makes me wonder who is promoting the "victim card" here.

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Mon May 30, 2011 3:50 PM EDT
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TheyreAllCrooks

Ed Schultz was wrong for calling Laura Ingraham a "right wing slut"...

He should have called her an " ignorant corporate prostitute, who's sold what's left of her rotten soul and who's in bed with the Koch Brothers, the TGOP and the US Sumpreme Court - all of whom are bought and paid for as they try to destroy America, just like she is a bought and paid for corporate prostitute"...

"Most of these people are pretty good friends with each other and I don't think this is going to change. The Supreme Court of the United States will continue to be the lone institution of government that remains above the political fray." - Laura Ingraham

The Supremes are more political than both political party's combined....every thing this court does is political!

I'd say Ed Schultz got it right...

  • 13 votes
Reply#6 - Fri May 27, 2011 10:06 AM EDT
Ggap

If this clown called my wife a slut

I did not know that sluts had spouses.

  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Fri May 27, 2011 10:07 AM EDT
Steve-2081387

Ah, the party of tolerance and enlightenment strikes again. The only thing the left seems good at is name calling.

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Fri May 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT
NativeAmerican-1289371

The left learned at the feet of the master name callers--the right.

  • 8 votes
#8.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
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Joe Mont

The Libs just love defending these Neanderthals on the Left.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Fri May 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT
NativeAmerican-1289371

Touche Bubba Joe--you righties seem to waste an inordinate amount of time and money defending the drug-addled gasbag and his bastard children talking heads.

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 11:24 AM EDT
Joe Mont

I'm not defending Fat hEaD Schultz.

  • 1 vote
#9.2 - Fri May 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
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redphish

Laura Ingram is arrogant and hateful but by calling her a slut, Schultz lowered himself to her level. I have little respect for political commentators who can't make their points without resorting to childish antics like name calling.

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Fri May 27, 2011 12:26 PM EDT
TheyreAllCrooks

It wasn't personal...the man's trying to boost his ratings! lol

    #12.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT
    redphish

    Well it ain't working for me. I've never seen his show and don't intend to anytime soon.

      #12.2 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT
      RACHEL1-933952

      Wouldn't matter, he said it on his radio show.

      • 3 votes
      #12.3 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT
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      Borncorn

      The last GOP vice presidential candidate called Obama a terrorist. I would have no problem calling her a slut after that.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#13 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
      TheyreAllCrooks

      "Domestic terrorist", and "un-American"...

      • 5 votes
      #13.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT
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      Stevie-445471

      Well I am a 73 year old grandma and I have to say, Laura Ingram brings out the worst in me as I am sure she has many others.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#14 - Fri May 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT
      livingfree1

      How could you not get carried away.The right wing on all out power trip,lies all out,at least Ed tells us what we should be educating people who don't know.I mean how many are left to tell the truth and not sell out big power.News slut that's not like sex slut is it.I'm waiting on his return.go ED.

      • 2 votes
      #14.1 - Fri May 27, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
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      Formost

      So what's the final verdict here? I haven't been reading. Is she or isn't she a slut? :-)

        Reply#15 - Sat May 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
        eric fuller

        Has anyone from Fox News or any conservative talk show host been suspended for demeaning remarks they made about the President ? If they said anythig they get their own show.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#16 - Sat May 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT
        Chris-735081

        I agree with the spirit of this article completely. We need to get rid of wind-bags like Schultz and Beck. They reduce the level of debate to spite and vitriol; they take all the of the oxygen out of the room that is needed for calm rational discussion.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#17 - Sat May 28, 2011 11:05 PM EDT
        featheredserpent

        Hear! hear! and don't forget everyones warm and fuzzy little teddy bear Rush Limbaugh!

        • 1 vote
        #17.1 - Mon May 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT
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        Formost

        I'm curious here. I didn't hear the broadcast and I'm wondering if Ed just called her a slut, or an Un-American slut? I mean, I'd be outraged if she were Un-American, too.!!!!!

          Reply#18 - Sat May 28, 2011 11:33 PM EDT
          featheredserpent

          I'm not a conservative but rather a moderate independent, however, I'm definitely not an Ed Schultz fan. Ever since Schultz popped onto the radio scene, and ultimately the televison cable scene, I have questioned his intent and the validity of his self proclaimed epiphany conversion from republican conservative to democrat liberal or progressive. I find Schultz's rhetoric to be easily as bombastic, crude and generally mean spirited as Rush Limbaugh and in truth it is hard to tell the difference when you hear the two men speak. My assessment of Schultz is that he is an opportunistic bully that saw a chance to make some money and create a niche for himself in what has been termed "Liberal talk radio" and I seriously doubt if he is either a liberal or a progressive. MSNBC made a major mistake when they put a lose cannon like Schultz on prime-time cable as he is hardly ready for prime time as the saying goes, IMO of course.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#19 - Mon May 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT
          Phyllis-3324111

          While I disagree with a Classy Guy like ED getting mad enough to call LAURA INGRAHAM a SLUT on the air waves, I would have gone over board and called her a B#%?! and a Right Out FOX CLONED W!#%+. But then being the CLASSY GIRL I AM I WOULD GIRL UP AND APOLOGIZE! COME BACK ED THE MIDDLE CLASS NEEDS YOUR INPUT.

            Reply#20 - Tue May 31, 2011 4:59 AM EDT
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