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Libertarianism - Just Another Word for Selfish

Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:18 AM EST
politics, freedom, rights, libertarianism
By Donald McKinley Allen
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As Ron Paul hangs around or advances in the polls as a potential Republican Party nominee for President; the ideas and concepts behind Libertarianism as a political philosophy deserve to come under greater examination. Just exactly how do some of the ideas that seem to be appealing on first glance actually work when applied to the vast canvas that is the current complex American governmental society? Actually while it may be true that Libertarianism and the American democratically elected representative republican form of government may look like they are compatible in theory as being able to work together in some ways; in practice they aren’t the nice, neat, fit that works well to implement and/or enhance the concepts of the U.S. Constitution. 

One could argue that when the Constitution was written it was meant to be complimentary to the rugged individualism which Libertarianism says it encompasses. But in fact the framers of the Constitution knew even over 200 years ago that the whole idea of many individual, local, state and regional interests would have to work in a highly cooperative manner in order for the United States to stay both together and free from domination by any other nation state. The key word in this country’s name is “united” not states. Individual states have grown and contracted in terms of their power and influence, as have whole regions of this country; but the sum total of this country has continued to expand in size, scope and power from day one. This is because the ever increasing number of states has been and remains “united” as one nation. 

Libertarianism is about individual “freedom” from control of or required participation by an entity such as a nation. To a certain degree this country has incorporated the concept of individual freedom into its laws; but it has also abrogated absolute individual freedom from control or participation in many ways too. It is a basic concept of our form of government that there are requirements and responsibilities as well as freedoms that are part of the arrangement made between the government and its citizens; as long as the rules and regulations are established with the consent of the governed. That’s the part where democratic election of representatives comes in. As long as each of us has the same one vote, and everyone has that vote, a majority can give achieve providing the consent of the governed; as long as certain basic rights of the dissenting minority are respected. It may not be entirely simple when multiplied out by a hundred million voting individuals, but it still retains the original elegance of practicality. Or least it did until recently. 

While basic majority rule with minority rights creates some conflict with the concept of the primacy of individual rights, as long as we recognized that in order to work; absolute freedom which is in conflict with the majority’s laws for the common good are a breaking of the social contract. The contract can at any time be revised, changed, augmented, etc, but while they stand, the laws of the land are just that; the law. And no amount of conviction in the rightness of one’s cause allows the laws to be broken at a cost to society in general just to satisfy any individual’s desires. As Supreme Court Justice Frankfurter eloquently stated; “the right of your fist ends at the tip of my nose”.

And so it is with any individual’s notion that implies that just because I don’t want the government telling me what to do or not do; I have a right to ignore the law. Most Libertarians get that notion pretty well. The confusion comes in when it becomes a matter of pitting the wishes of the society at large against their personal predilections; which have a negative impact on that society and are therefore proscribed or limited. 

The obvious example is falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater. It does in fact limit the free speech of the yeller; but it does so with the purpose of protecting the safety of all the other theater goers who might be needlessly trampled in a panic driven response to the yell. Some other examples, like laws which require a motorcyclist to wear a helmet, seem to be aimed at protecting the rider from their own stupidity. And thus by Libertarian standards; it is none of our (as represented by government) collective business if they want to risk serious injury or death by refusing to wear equipment that could save them from that fate. But in a society where (in theory at least) we all pay taxes, some of which are used to fund public hospitals; we all wind up paying for the seriously injured Libertarian rider if he doesn’t choose to wear a helmet or purchase health insurance.

Of course one could blithely say that if the rider has made that choice to risk their health without having health insurance; we, the taxpaying society have no obligation to cover the cost of their medical care. And that might possibly be okay with some Libertarian members of our taxpaying society, as well as even okay with the injured Libertarian rider; if they are willing to stand behind their Libertarian philosophy. We could just have someone at the emergency room door explain to the rider or his next of kin that the deal is; you have the right to ride without a helmet and insurance all you want, since it’s none of our business - but you don’t have the right be treated at this public hospital at public expense. You could even tell them there is a charity funded hospital in the next town that doesn’t turn away anyone (as long as the hospital has the resources). The injured rider and/or their family might be good Libertarians and thank you for the Charity hospital tip and go on their way; but it’s not very likely. When it comes to life and death, and anything people feel is comparably important to them; they are rarely actually willing to shrug their shoulders and accept the complete logic of “on your own” Libertarianism. 

That isn’t the way we have collectively decided to do things in this country (so far) when it comes to life and death emergencies and many other things of less consequence. So in most cases planning on everyone sticking to a pure Libertarian policy and agenda isn’t really a good bet. That is especially true when it come to you or me or most other people. Very few people in this country are willing to take part in any part of the above Libertarian scenario. It would be hard to get volunteers to be the injured rider, their family or loved ones, or even the person at the door blocking their way into the emergency room. And if you can’t imagine yourself being the person blocking the emergency room to anyone who by chance or choice doesn’t have health insurance; you shouldn’t insist on strict Libertarian policies for the government. Even if you could get someone else to do the dirty work of turning away the injured rider expressing his “freedom” by helmetless, or the sick child whose parents can’t afford insurance, or the GenXer with appendicitis, who voted Libertarian so they could buy a great big flat screen instead of being mandated to have health insurance; every person being entirely responsible for taking care of all their needs at all times, while leaving the rest of us alone, isn’t the way this nation has structured the social contract. 

The social contract as delineated in the very first paragraph of the U.S. Constitution includes the Federal government being charged with the responsibility (along with other duties) of securing the “general welfare” of Americans. The Founding Fathers, and throughout our history, most Americans believe that having the Federal government responsible for maintaining our “general welfare” is as much of a right of U.S. citizenship as having the Federal government protect; our freedom; our right to practice or not practice a religion; or any of the other enumerated protections the Constitution affords Americans. We have for over 200 years been defining and re-defining these rights to keep our government functional and able to perform its duties as we and the world have evolved and grown. The Constitution was meant to, and in the main has been, interpreted and re-interpreted to define the social contract between American citizens and the government they elect to represent them. 

There are some people who currently see the need and believe that the U.S. Constitution, in its functioning as the country’s social contract includes; we, the people, can consent to give our government the right to provide adequate health and safety care for all our fellow citizens. These people are willing to have their government use some of their contributed tax dollars to take the care of some American citizens who don’t have the resources to pay their medical bills, or afford medical insurance, or don’t contribute enough to the Federal pool of funds to cover payment of their medical expenses. The willing, taxpaying, citizens are aware that only a very few of their fellow Americans are not kicking in because they are too selfish or lazy; but that the vast majority are contributing what they can; even if it isn’t very much because they are sick, or out of and unable to find work, or too young or too old to get a job, etc. 

The resulting health care system would be the most cost efficient, highest quality, universally accessible, available anywhere in the world. It would legally make good health care for all Americans the “right” it has de facto become in our modern society. It would make health care, funded by our tax based, citizen wide, shared funding system; as standard, efficient and reliable for the American people as the universal, national, system of defense, we call the U.S. military. It would not preclude the addition of private medical insurance for those who wanted and could afford it, any more than having a first rate military precludes the hiring of private bodyguards for the rich and/or famous. 

The same concepts of universality when it is applied to a national governmental approach to education, is another red flag to the Libertarian bulls. But in today’s world the typical employee may work for close to a dozen companies, in more than half a dozen different states, across their work career. Ask most employers and almost all workers which would they rather have; lower taxes and the cheapest public education a state can possibly cobble together or reasonable taxes and a universally high level of educated employee no matter where they went to school, California to New Hampshire or God forbid Texas or Mississippi? It’s also a heck of a lot easier to attract quality employees to where they know their kids will get a decent public education, rather than their having to pay for private schools. But the Libertarian say since it’s not mentioned in the Constitution, the Federal government can’t be involved in setting educational standards. And furthermore, each state has the right (if it wants to) to short change its residents and provide the most cut rate system they can squeeze past the voters. The net result is a state like Ron Paul’s Texas that boasts the highest job creation rate; but most of the jobs are at minimum wage or less; because half the work force is illegal immigrants and Texas leads the entire nation in percentage of students who don’t graduate from high school. The Libertarian zeal to exercise their “right” to the “freedom” to reject and/or fight Federal education standards has made Texas statistically the dumbest state in the union, and apparently they are darned proud of it. 

Libertarians, by definition, pretty much across the board say they hate “big” government in every way, shape and form. But any and every time bad weather or bad luck including (but not limited to), forest fires, floods, hurricanes, industrial pollution and any other kind of natural or manmade disaster strikes; they want their local, county, state and above all the Federal government to have people there with checkbooks in hand ready to dole out big money to help them, before even the clouds roll by. When they are on the receiving end of getting economic cash benefits; then it’s “the bigger the better” as far as government is concerned. They don’t want Washington telling them they have to share their beachfront with the general public, but they sure as heck want Washington restoring the roads and beaches in their would be private paradise! And the same is true for highways, airports, rivers, ports and every other convenience they want available. Don’t let the Feds tell Libertarians how fast they can drive; but Feds can build those 5 million dollar a mile roads everywhere they want them. 

The direction this country’s social contract flows, as far as most Libertarians are concerned, is strictly one way; towards them. The government can spend as much as they feel it needs to in order to protect them within the country’s borders; but nary a penny should go for foreign aid to either co-opt our enemies or support our allies, unless and until the preverbal wolf is at the door, threatening a narrow national interest; like oil under someone else’s desert. On economic issues the Libertarian commitment to low or no taxes is more or less summarized by the phrase; “I got mine, I don’t care about you”. When pushed on the apparent cold heartedness of their economic interpretation of the Constitution, Libertarian political candidates say; “Well there are charities and I think people should support them, if they want to”. Most off camera Libertarians say; “So what, or Not my problem”. 

On the social issue front, surprisingly and amusingly Libertarians line up as close to the political left (mostly Democrats) as they do with the political right (almost all Republicans) on economic issues. The “leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone” attitude of Libertarianism logic puts them in the position of saying; “Smoke whatever you want, but I won’t pay your hospital bill.” Being consistent in their “My personal life is none of the governments business” attitude also puts them on the individual personal freedom side of family planning and women’s rights issues. It’s the “liber”, as in liberal. of Libertarianism, that puts them at odds with the political right in this country on many social issues and makes for confusing politics when it comes to limited government. The Libertarian paradigm puts them fore-square in support of women’s freedom of choice, gay right equality, decriminalizing drugs, and many other issues that puts them fore-square in opposition to much right-wing religious based “truths”. The Right wants to make these “truths” in laws which can tell all Americans; who they can and cannot marry; that they must bear a conceived child not matter what; that they can’t smoke this- but they can smoke, drink, or eat any of that; etc. Many Libertarians want their “rights” to be sacrosanct; but say your so-called “rights” are wrong, and illegal. 

In many ways this idea of personal, limitless, Libertarianism (for some - but not all Americans) is virtually incompatible with America’s long traditions embodied in our egalitarian, representative, democratic, system of government. The unqualified sharing of proscribed freedoms, laws and conventions agreed upon by a majority (with respect for minority rights) and granting the power to enact and enforce these broad but limited rights to majority elected representatives, means you can’t do anything you want, any time you want, anywhere you want without regard to the wishes and well being of both the majority and the minority of your fellow citizens. That winds up being too much joining in of the sharing of responsibilities for most Libertarians. They want their rights and freedoms; but are unwilling to cooperate with or provide support to a government that is legally in place by the general agreement of their fellow citizens. Wanting personal freedom while not being willing to extend the same right to others or pay the price for having a government that provides and protects that freedom, is in a word; selfish!

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Infojunkie 1

So taking care of yourself without help from others is selfish? Where the hell did you get your values from?

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:57 AM EST
WaltUU

I believe you need to read the article again, much more conscientiously, since the author never said that "taking care of yourself without help from others is selfish". Rather, the point of the article is something radically different, summarized in the last sentence of the article:

Wanting personal freedom while not being willing to extend the same right to others or pay the price for having a government that provides and protects that freedom, is in a word; selfish!

You seem to have missed the part that I have now highlighted in bold. The selfish aspect, therefore, is the refusal to contribute your share toward the system that affords you the personal freedom you desire.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:11 AM EST
Infojunkie 1

Libertarians aren't for outlawing abortion. I read it up to the point I realised it was a big load of horse crap. The article isn't even coherent its just a poorly done smear job with falsities and exaggerations.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:20 AM EST
WaltUU

So you didn't read the whole article; misread the part you did read (since it doesn't actually say that libertarians are for outlawing abortion - it says the opposite); and then you criticized it for reasons other than the objections you actually had. You're three for three.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:04 AM EST
bondibox

It's all a bit like Texas wanting to secede from the union, while being one of the biggest leeches off of government largess.

Or like deciding to drastically cut spending on forestry, and then demanding Federal assistance with their forest fires.

In a nutshell, it's called "choices have consequences."

Voted up.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:17 AM EST
Citizen Kane-473667

Where is the "Vote Down" button?

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:18 AM EST
CreepingJesus

Where is the "Vote Down" button?

Usually located on the front of your computer...usually labeled "Power."

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:40 AM EST
Citizen Kane-473667

Now now, don't get your cute little panties in a wad just because the adults here don't need their asses wiped by the government...

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST
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Ripley8

and again .......

Libertarianism: It's all about "Me," not "We."

If it was up to libertarians, none of the United State's great achievements in social and economic justice would have happened. There would be no civil rights laws, no environmental laws, no labor rights and wage laws. Restaurants could turn away black people, firms could refuse to hire women, factories could dump their toxic waste in rivers, your boss could make you work seven days a week, 10 hours a day, for $1/hour, dogfights would be legal, and so on. Their remedies would be along the lines of, "Black people and their supporters can eat elsewhere." "Women could start their own businesses," "Local communities could sue the polluters," "If you don't like slave labor, just quit," and "If two men own dogs and want to fight them, their property rights must be respected."

The libertarians I've met in person, and the public ones such as Matt Stone & Trey Parker, or Ron & Rand Paul, are generally affluent white men. Their philosophy is, "I got mine, Jack, too bad about you." Ultimately, their guiding principle is selfishness.

Lastly, there is much truth to the old saying that libertarians are just Republicans who like to get high and use prostitutes.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:37 AM EST
Infojunkie 1

You don't @!$%# about libertarianism but I'm not bothering to educate you. Keep your fantasies and ghost stories.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:45 AM EST
FLYNAVY1

Info....

Libertarianism 1) Does not exist outside of the textbook anywhere in the modern world (unless you really want to include Somalia...????) 2) Want's to remove government interaction on capitalism. Laws and regulations are the only bulwark there is agains the real negatives of capitalism... That is why we have the government we do. Unfortunately because of corporate infiltration into government, we had the financial meltdown of 2008.

Libertarian schools of thought differ over the degree to which the state should be reduced. Anarchists advocate complete elimination of the state. Minarchists advocate a state which is limited to protecting its citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. Some libertarians go further, such as by supporting minimal public assistance for the poor.

  • 5 votes
#2.2 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:45 AM EST
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Dean Moriarty

It is really encouraging to see his campaign picking up steam as we watch him rise to the top of the political ladder.
Americans are embracing his belief in limited government and personal responsibility. I am proud to see Americans return to libertarian principles that will help restore freedom and prosperity in the USA. No other candidate will do more to free us from government slavery than Ron Paul. When you look at Ron Paul's stance on all important issues that face us today it is easy to see why Americans are turning to Ron Paul for leadership.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:49 AM EST
debtfreeisme

The author should study the first 10 amendments to our constitution which we refer to as the "bill of rights.'

These 10 amendments pertain to the "individual."

This author wins the "literary excrement" prize for showing us what little understanding he has of our constitution.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:51 AM EST
Dean Moriarty

Agreed.
"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."
Ayn Rand

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:52 AM EST
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Bad Fish

Libertarianism teaches individual liberty and to have this individual liberty we must be tolerant of our neighbors. Willing to stand up for the rights of people we disagree with. Ready to fight for every ounce of freedom for people who differ from us. The only selfless political ideology i have found.

A hundred years of Democrat and Republican greed and corruption but it is those libertarians who are the greedy ones? Those fringe crazies who want to end the corporatism? This article couldn't be further from the truth.

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:37 AM EST
Chris-382117

Donald McKinley Allen,

Actually while it may be true that Libertarianism and the American democratically elected representative republican form of government may look like they are compatible in theory as being able to work together in some ways; in practice they aren’t the nice, neat, fit that works well to implement and/or enhance the concepts of the U.S. Constitution.

Your Opinion? I’ll disagree with you here. I believe the framers of the constitution were the first Libertarians because the put strict controls on the powers of government. That to me is the difference between the Libertarian philosophy and that of the pure Liberal that you seem to expound upon in your article. The frames had lived under the boot of tyranny and understood what government could become when left unchecked. If you read the constitution, you will see that it is not primarily a document defining what the government CAN do, but more importantly what government CAN NOT DO. They put strong restrictions on what government could not do and placed so tight a cage around the beast.

Libertarianism is about individual “freedom” from control of or required participation by an entity such as a nation.

For someone that is declaring himself to be an expert on what Libertarianism “is” you certainly seem to have no clue. It is not about “freedom from control” as you would like to believe, but more about personal responsibility, accountability, and freedom of choice. As a Liberation myself, I am well aware of the fact that we need some regulation to protect us from the bad that exist in our society, but not a government without out control, responsibility, and accountability to the people (that we have now). Unlike what your article declares with seemingly godlike authority, Libertarianism is not about “No Regulation” it is about responsible and common sense regulation.

While basic majority rule with minority rights creates some conflict with the concept of the primacy of individual rights, as long as we recognized that in order to work; absolute freedom which is in conflict with the majority’s laws for the common good are a breaking of the social contract.

Again, you miss the whole point of Libertarianism. It is not about “Total Freedom”, but responsibility for oneself and accountability for ones actions and not abrogating that responsibility to some nameless faceless bureaucracy because it is “too hard” or “I don’t want to do it” for myself.

The remainder of your article is just, IMO a re-statement of the first 3 paragraphs. Libertarians are bad because they want anarchy with no rules, regulations, or protections. We are “selfish” because we do not agree with you concept of the nanny state where all are all protected from themselves

This to me is the difference between the Libertarian philosophy and that of the Progressive / Futurist / ultra-liberal philosophy that you seem to be advocating. It is a philosophical difference based in our opinion overall of our fellow creature. I and most libertarians I know believe that most people are by nature good and will do what is "right" simply because it is the right thing to do without prodding from someone else. Notice, I did not say “all” people. Our prison system is a sad testament to the fact that not everyone can play nicely in the sandbox with others. I served with the 3rd Marines in Quang Tri and Thua Thien Provinces in Vietnam and have seen the human creature at his worst, but the vast majority of people that I have met around the world will do what is right without ever being prodded to do so. When I joined the Marine Corps in 1967, I was taught the 3 fundamental requirements of being a Marine; Honor, Courage and Commitment. They were explained as follows:

Honor - Doing what is Right solely because it is the Right thing to do.

Courage - Once you have decided what is "Right", you do it; even if it isn't popular with others or profitable for you.

Commitment - Once you have the first two nailed down, you follow the course until you have completed that which is the right thing to do.

As a Freemason, there is not much difference in the way we approach things. I personally believe that, one day I will be required to stand before the Grand Architect of the Universe and give an accounting for what I have done on this earth. I don't think there is much that he has missed and I don't want the interrogation to last too long. But, the progressive mantra, to the best of my understanding, is diametrically opposed to personal responsibility and accountability. First and foremost IMO, the basic belief of the progressive movement is that:

1) They believe they are the only ones that know what "right" is.

2) All people are by nature bad, evil, and must have some entity to outline in detail the progressive version of "right" and “good” for them.

3) There must be some all powerful agency or government with power of thumbscrew to enforce this progressive version of "right" and “good” upon the masses.

After all, we mere mortals are incapable of making decisions regarding personal responsibility, accountability, or morality for ourselves; we must be lead by Adam Weishaupt and the Bavarian Illuminati or one of his direct genetic descendants.

That is what I find most distasteful about the progressive concept; that I am unable to make decisions for myself because I am not "enlightened" enough to know what is "Right” or “Wrong" with respect to what you believe to be the same (after all, you are the only one that know what “Right” is). I am a Principle Engineer for a major company, I have been an Electrical and Mechanical Engineer for over 35 years, hold 2 engineering degrees and an MBA; I didn't fall off the back of the turnip truck last night. But, according to some of the progressives here on the vine, I am a genetic throw back to the Neanderthal line of human evolution because I don't agree with them regarding the overall control of society. Personally, I know when to bath, shave, brush my teeth or how to put out my clothes for work and do not need Hobson to do it for me. I have not needed a baby sitter for over 55 years; my name is not Arthur Bach; is yours? If I am wrong in this analysis, please enlighten me about where I am wrong with respect to how you have written the article.

The biggest difference I see is what we define the responsibility of government in our individual lives to be. Do you want a government who's responsibility is to assist you in being successful and protecting you from the truly bad in our society, or do you want a Nanny state that will remove from you any and all responsibility, accountability, and culpability at the expense of being able to tell you what to do, when and how to do it? Your article seems to suggest that we need an all powerful, all encompassing, government that will direct us down the correct path as you see the “correct path” to be in the name of the salvation of civilization. I, and most Libertarians that I know, on the other had believe that civilization and freedoms will be doomed BECAUSE of this same Government that you wish to install with unlimited power because, in your view, we mere peasants are unable to control our lives in the "right" way. We must legislate Right Think amongst the populous because they are unable to function without it. That to me is far scarier than people standing up for their rights and freedoms.

A Political Science professor I took a class under in the early 70's said something in one class that I have always remembered. The class that day had been about the similarities between Communist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy and he paraphrased Thomas Jefferson in his closing at the end of class. He said:

There is no such thing as a Benevolent Dictatorship. Any Government that is big and powerful enough to give you everything that you would ever want is also big enough to take everything that you will ever have; up to and including your life.

I also believe that George Washington absolutely correct when he said about Government, as a whole:

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

I am against a Nanny State because I understand that, if I give away my freedoms for some short term gain, I will lose both my long term benefits and my freedoms forever. I refuse to do that because , to paraphrase Jimmy McMillan; "The price is too damned high!" That is what I believe Libertarianism is about, but too many people like yourself just listen to a 30 second sound bite from either Grover Norquist or Ron Paul and think they know everything about Libertarianism from soup to nuts. It is about personal responsibility and accountability, not selfishness.

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Reply#6 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:02 AM EST
Baron von Steuben

Weaklings and cowards fear the idea of freedom because it leaves them open to failure.

  • 9 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST
RatPoison

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

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#7.1 - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:27 AM EST
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